's the recognition of the u.s. tax code should be the thing to put them on that platform to compete effectively. number one, you need more revenue. and if the democrats know how the revenue comes about, great. if you can get the money that satisfies these obligations, that is an area of common ground. let's move forward on that basis. i'm glad to hear that alison is not just saying hardened dogma. people like patty murray are just saying it will need to raise taxes. i'm glad to hear that oleson is not defending that. -- that alison is not defending that. we have an army of people in the united states that have to be hired. we have 1.2 million people in the compliance side. we of 1.4 million people who are underemployed. the need for simplicity is the common ground that we can go for. >> the fiscal cliff, we have heard that threat from democrats and republicans in some form. how big a risk is this, or is it just the opening gambit? think weally don't will go over the fiscal cliff. i think we will figure this out. again, we need to have some compromise and we need to be able to get some revenues.